So called religious devotion and zeal initiated by man IS UNHOLY AND PROFANE regardless out good intentions! I praise God for the healing that God does through him and yet my heart is saddened by the lack of healing for saints suffering in the Church. Not as playthings, not as things we use and do with as WE (flesh) please. Of course not. What I will do differently than what I saw in the first video is to not make a big deal about what happened if God heals them. I agree jda, we ought to be leary of people like Bill Johnson. I guess I was one of those people Andrew is referring too. Who is the one who overcomes the world, but he who believes that Jesus is the Son of God? That is a hard material and so leaves me to see that God broke His own commands, not Moses. And here I`m thinking of those around that I know & learn from in daily life. Sndergaard was arrested on June 30 in Orlando, Florida for "gun smuggling," even though he was never charged with that crime and vehemently denies any such activity. You will be glad you did. To accredit the winsome and wonderful man Christ Jesus with convulsions, animal noises, crears, hundreds of people acting completely out of control, jerking , wild shaking, out of control mocking laughter- to attribute these to Jesus is blasphemy and just plain stupid! The devil visited Jesus, just as the devil visits us in one form or another. I desire mercy not sacrifice. How about this MAGIC TRICK: FINDING A GOLD COIN IN A FISHS MOUTH! But as Teshuva said the enemy will come to try and destroy the works of God, it is not a matter of if, it is only a matter of when, so it is a kindness when the enemy is seen coming in the distance that someone warns of it. Why fear testing if what you say is true. ! He said the hardest part is being separated from his wife and children. Squashers of joy, and those who make light when someone says theyve been healed by Gods power, would rather remind the church about the warning that many will heal in His Name and do works in His Name and expect entrance into heaven, and Jesus will say, Depart, I never knew you. God Torben told CBN News the documentary ruined his reputation in Denmark. According to Torben Sndergaard, God made him time travel back to before he was born as a confirmation[27]. God said to the Apostles, and therefore also to us today Wait upon the Holy Spirit for the power from on high (for the HS unction) and then go out. Discerning the World is an internet Christian Ministry based in Johannesburg South Africa. Its not encouraged by most North American Churches in fact they often teach the opposite so how else is he supposed to show people that, yes, it can and does work like this. They left for the U.S. with only what they could carry in eight suitcases. WHO does the KEEPING? I would like to read the entire book. This is very subjective and there is absolutely no way for anyone watching the video to say with certainty if these healings are genuine or not, based on just watching the video. He had been criticized about his methods of evangelism. Jesus had no thought of creating an organization or formal group around Himself, nor did he teach disciples to form any such organized group. Others fall into the 3) to inspire reverence or godly fear or awe http://www.deceptioninthechurch.com/orrel46.pdf. Walking by the Holy Spirit is being FILLED with DIVINE Love, DIVINE Peace, DIVINE Faith, DIVINE Joy, DIVINE Meekness, DIVINE Longsuffering, DIVINE Temperance, DIVINE Gentleness, DIVINE Goodness. Father glorify Thy Holy Son in Thy people in this generation ! Listen, I can only tell you about someone that really has raised the dead and dying by the power of Yeshua. 4) I can do ALL things IN (while I am abiding in HIS Presence) Christ Jesus And Peter said to them, Repent, and let each of you be baptized in the name of Jesus Christ for the forgiveness of your sins; and you shall receive the gift of the Holy Spirit. (Acts 2:38). In Jesus name we pray ! This is nothing but human sorcery at its worst . Andrew, I am very disappointed that I come here with what I think is grace and humility attempting to speak from Gods word, and yet the response is more name calling and calling me to repentance. Attacks against his ministry in Denmark began in 2016,when the Jesus Center was investigated by six different Danish government agencies for everything from food safety to unpaid taxes. The roots of christianity are in roman catholicism and there are many man made doctrines that are christianity. Torben with his wife Lene on her birthday ( Source : facebook ) Friends are expressing dismay that a Danish man who works tirelessly spreading the gospel around the world has been arrested in America over charges of smuggling arms from Mexico into America. Barry do you (or anyone else.?.) Sondergaard, as he prayed for the sick on the streets and in the The flip side is we did these things in your name and Jesus replied depart from me you workers of lawlessness. [8]Lack of healing is caused by a lack of faithwhich is Word of Faith doctrine to the core. Paul was always on guard for the church and admonishing and warning constantly with the help of the Holy Spirit, and with good reason. Click the gear icon at the bottom right corner of the comment box, then click EDIT. Andthere arethreethat bear witnessinearth,the Spirit,andthe water,andthe blood:andthese threeagreeinone. are washed away in a few minutes. You dont know me, nor do I know you. Rom 14:23 KJV And he that DOUBTETH is damned if he eat, because [he eateth] not of faith: for WHATSOEVER IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. A hand that miraculously turns leperous; and just as miraculously is healed. It is very important for the Pentecostal/Charismatic/Apostolic and Prophetic/Hebrew Roots Movement to baptize people in water: These pastors believe they are part of the Apostolic succession (the same as the Catholic Church) and todays so called Christian church is supposed to be part of the false doctrine of the lost tribes of Israel and we apparently need to realize this and be part of the Last Reformation that the Vatican is raising so as to enter and take over Jerusalem with their one world religion. Read and KNOW the scriptures people, for the sake of the Kingdom of God and for the sake of your own selves and your families. To me when I was less aware of how He is working through my brothers and sisters was when I put Him in a box more, thinking that He used everyone pretty much the same. They did not rejoice at the healings at all. There have been times that you have fallen prey to allowing your zeal to post a story that was later found out to be untrue or not of the Lord. Paul Benson A Bottomless Bucket (Part 5), Paul Benson An anti-Dispensational Bottomless Bucket (Part 4), Verily,verily,I sayunto thee,Excepta manbe bornof, ,he cannotenterintothe kingdomof God., These are they which came out of great tribulation, and have, Latter Rain Teaching / Dominionism / Kingdom Now, page recently and I find it very interesting, https://www.youtube.com/user/DanishEvangelist, The Biblical Holy Spirit vs. Thanks for sharing that on Revelation Chas351, that is something I need to take a look atalready saved to my computer! Jesus said heal the sick, raise the dead, open the eyes of the blind. How many of us acknowledge Him in all our ways? Foras many of you ashave been baptizedintoChristhave put onChrist. What the TV audience doesnt know is how LONG God has been PREPARING THESE PEOPLE WHO GO FORWARD. But, if they claim to be a Christians, and a leader, then people will follow them. Share on pocket. I dont even have the right words for the understanding that I do have, or think I have. Amen!!!! We are living in a dark age where sin and selfishness have been taking over the church. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. They also said Torben has lost at least 30 pounds since being jailed, but told CBN News, "It is very clear that God is providing him with supernatural strength and peace. Sometimes the leg is genuinely shorter and physicaly lengthens, sometimes the back or pelvic area is being healed and the subsequent rotation causes the legs to even out. Therefore, when the scripture talks about bringing GLORY to the Lord; GLORIFYING the Lord etc etc And after all, Paul himself said that ANYTHING THAT IS NOT OF FAITH IS SIN. For all those caught up in this demonic mess and want to be set free please read this article: Seeking Salvation or Deliverance? 2. Share on telegram. 1.Tom & Deborah, are you really saying that the baptism(Immersion) in water has no more power, does not form part of the Gospel & is worthless & can be disregarded completely? There are so many trying, Ernie wrote: I am not saying you highlighting false teaching, ChosenJulia. And hopefully nobody will misunderstand and think you are accusing these young men of wrongdoing. Pray for Torben Sondergaard, he has been put into prison for no reason other than being accused for smuggling weapons at Mexico. Just quietly go about the Lords work without regard to the attention it brings to you personally. Thedude said, Great stuff! Perceiving then that they were about to come and take him by force to make him king, Jesus withdrew again to the mountain by himself. Torben believes in taking new The Gospel of Luke is about Christ the Mediator, the One who is touched with the feelings of our infirmities. I know his OH HOW MUCH EASIER IT IS TO BELIEVE A BOOK, THAN A REAL LIVE PERSON! 20Teaching them to observe all things whatsoever I have commanded you: and, lo, I am with you always, even unto the end of the world. visions and miracles should be absolutely EXPECTED as a But it takes a lot of hard work, time, and money to do what we do. Go Torben . But all praise and glory be to Christ Jesus our Lord who has conquered the lion who prowls around seeking who he may devour! Paul said with a loud voice, Stand upright on your feet. And he leaped up and began to walk. The predominant aim of Revelation is the setting forth the splendours of the Son of Man, & to reveal His glorious person. The rest all succumbed in the desert because of their sins and disbelief. Elijah prayed ONE SENTENCE and fire instantly fell from God. Ive been porn and masturbation free from that very day. I have been greatly encouraged by these videos. I remember an occasion at the Anglican Order of St. Luke in Christchurch when an unbelieving woman with a build up shoe (maybe 30cm or so) went forward for prayer and later limped back to her seat because the leg lengthened and the shoe was then too high for her to walk normally. NO-ONE HAS GOT IT ALL YET. Danish TV infiltrated his ministry with undercover reporters for a documentary called "God's Best Children," which lumped Torben in with other leaders of so-called "radical Christian" ministries who had had serious moral or ethical failures or even criminal activity. Sadly, it is no miracle. Is this the way we find out first what pleases the Lord, or is it mans view of what The Lord should be pleased with? Thank you Roger! Being FEARFUL, WORRIED, ANXIOUS, CONCERNED is the opposite of putting your FAITH (trust and confidence) in God. To date they only hear and see at best a cheap immigration of Jesus works and voice in His people. In fact, OUR MANNA OUGHT TO BE FRESH EVERY MORNING as we progress in our relationship and understanding of Jesus Christ and His Kingdom. Jonathan, I may be wrong but I suspect you are coming partly from the hebrew roots type of people who, for the most part, want us to go back to the Law, keeping feast days etc. I think the real point of the videos is to teach people to go out in public and pray for the sick and tell them about Jesus. Amen. chas351.Thank you for your Jonathan Welton post. The One True God of the bible is NOT NORMAL NOR NATURAL. 8 And then shall that Wicked be revealed, whom the Lord shall consume with the spirit of his mouth, and shall destroy with the brightness of his coming: 9 Even him, whose coming is after the working of Satan with all power and signs and lying wonders, 10 And with all deceivableness of unrighteousness in them that perish; because they received not the love of the truth, that they might be saved. I still have a lot on my heart regarding TLR, the kickstarts, etc. Hypnotist Torben Sondergaard & his Cult of Demonic Hypnosis - Destroyed by God This video does a VERY poor job showing that these people are doing. intolerant, hate mongers, bigots, homophobes, etc.) This is nothing but human sorcery at its worst . I must say your eisegesis is astonishing. No one has to prove to you that people got healed , Dont you know that? For, behold, the darkness shall cover the earth, and gross darkness the people: but the Lord shall arise upon thee, and his glory shall be seen upon thee. In the NT, Jesus is dealing with 1 demoniac at a time.in one instance (the herd of pigs incident) there were 2 demoniacs. Jesus healed in the synagogue too. In other words, the Innocent One died for us, the guilty. See also John 1:12-13. Judge Yon Alberdi, an appointee of Obama Attorney General Eric Holder, ruled Sndergaard did not meet the requirements for asylum. I dont see anyone in Wierdsville multiplying wine, walking on water, etc etc ( and whatever other miracles Lightning mentioned ) . Dont get into a RUT and EXPECT the Holy Spirit to work in the same way He did the last time you noticed Him working. Arrested NOT. His legal team also told us that if the original charge against him was overstaying his Visa, it would be irregular for him to be arrested by FBI agents from the Joint Terrorism Task Force, and not Immigration agents. How different Jesus was from those sectarians who, like the Scribes and Pharisees, search sea and land to make a member of their group, only to make him twice as much the child of Hell as themselves (Matt. Spend longer, check things out better before calling people names. Or has it being ongoing amongst everyday people since He was sent to indwell those whom God draws to Himself..? Praise the Lord for the doers of Gods word a d not hearers only. share the gospel. Tell me from Gods word why it is wrong to test the spirits? For the promise is to you and your children and to all who are afar off, as many as the Lord our God will call. The tone of these responses is very disturbing. I have no agenda other to please Him. Judge Yon Alberdi, an appointee of Obama Attorney General Eric Holder, ruled Sndergaard did not meet the requirements for asylum. It might seem like a small thing but faith is built in little steps. Sometimes it is our fear for anothers situation which prompts intercession, the sharing of warnings, admonishments or what-have-you. Like Barry said, examine the fruit to see whether it is good or bad. Bill Johnson, and all these false prophets, teachers, evangelists, Earlier this year I felt the Lord placed it on my heart to investigate Bill Johnson , I started with what Bethel expressed as what they believe I dont see anything wrong with the statement of what they believe which I posted previously on this thread, I then listened to a number of Bill Johnsons sermons (videos) on YouTube they were all recent I tried to listen to as recent as I could, He honoured the Lord Jesus He honoured knowing the Lord Jesus He honoured the Lord Jesus words I am not saying that I agreed 100% with every single thing I heard him share but he definitely believes that Jesus is God and is Man always was God and always will be God, I am judging him by his own confession and his own confession of surrender to the Lord Jesus and he has committed himself to the Lord Jesus and is living to honour him I could tell this through the spirit of what he was sharing in his sermons, In the sermons I watched on YouTube which were at Bethel, Redding there was prayer for the sick where people gathered around those who were sick and prayed for them I didnt see anything weird or suspect or new age or whatever in any of these YouTube videos this was happening in their services praying for the sick and people were expressing that they were healed , Bill Johnson is going after healing He is taking seriously Jesus words, Heal the sick, raise the dead, cast out demons and is wanting his life and the life of his local congregation to demonstrate this, I never heard him call himself a prophet or a healer or anything else for that matter, He came across to me as a very humble man who knew the Lord personally, had surrendered himself to Him and wanted to serve and please Him, I was blessed by many of the things which I heard him share and know that he is my brother is Christ, Does that mean that hes never made a mistake in his life? Revelation shows that, in the end, people will curse God because of the plagues yet still refuse to repent. And so, he just did what the bible said for him to do. All Rights Reserved. After all thats what the miracles are meant to confirm. Submitted by escamp on August 31, 2015 - 3:04pm. b) (Niphal) The basis for the healing rooms training, techniques, and charge of admission is not found in the Bible. Torben Sondergaard Calls the Line of Fire from PrisonDr. Chas351 God has not changed, He still does miracles as signs following the gospel, and praise Him for it! I agree that Christ is the focus, and that He is the key actually (Key of David) and also that the Holy Spirit is our guide and teacher, amen. Torben Sondergaard was born in 1976 into a non-Christian family. Mental facilities will be empty because everyone will be given a sound mind, just like the man with the legion of demons in him. Torben Sndergaard is part of the Oneness Pentecostal sect. He was baptized as a baby in the state church and later confirmed, but it was only because of tradition. If God be for us who can be against us, yet the alternate to this is get behind me satan/carnal mind, you do not savor the things of God. When He praised the faith of people, it was not because of their orthodox theology, or the fact that they belonged to some organization, but on account of their simple faith in His person, http://awildernessvoice.com/OneBodyInChrist-Chapt06.html, Roger..Absolutely Beautiful. Final thought to underline what I wrote earlier. . Barry I am that lady!! Mar 9:40 KJV For he that is not against us is on our part. Id take issue with just one thing the gifts of healings are for the common good of both the Body of Christ (the context of 1 Corinthians 12, 13, and 14, and the public at large (where the Apostle Paul also was used of God for healing, prophecy, and so on). I have Because you will be lying to yourself and worst of all God Himself. The leg lengthening thing Ive seen happen in real life and, no, it wasnt a trick because I knew everyone involved and they were almost as shocked as I was. What I find very disappointing is that when some of us want to engage in an honest discussion about this story, we are met with name calling and ridicule. Mar 9:39 KJV But Jesus said, Forbid him not: FOR THERE IS NO MAN WHICH SHALL DO A MIRACLE IN MY NAME, THAT CAN LIGHTLY SPEAK EVIL OF ME. This genuine move pf God will be marked by a sincer and genuine acceptance of sinners where they are and with all their irreligious lifestyle. One day, when he was 16, his mother had a stroke. My entire life is spent in a life of obedience to our Lord. 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